tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1611813512203663495.post6878997327761652575..comments2023-05-10T14:53:34.878+01:00Comments on Welsh Independence: Would an independent Wales be better off than the status quo?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1611813512203663495.post-42948064467612698442011-10-24T10:50:31.368+00:002011-10-24T10:50:31.368+00:00'Nonsense!. We must start with the presumption...'Nonsense!. We must start with the presumption that all debts incurred on England's watch are England's responsibility.'<br /><br />Oh yeah, just shift the blame to occupied England which doesn't even have a voice of its own!<br /><br />Wales has been part of the UK, it's MPs have voted in Westminster and Wales has received a hell of a lot of money to maintain it's bloated public sector. <br />You'll take your fair share of the debt whether you like it or not!<br /><br />England would be in the position where it could essentially turn Wales into a third world country at will should it try and weasel it's way out of it's obligations.<br />Most Welsh trade is with England and a ban on trade with Wales would hurt few in England whereas it would be devastating for a Welsh economy at the initial stages of independence, not yet lost the dependence on England. <br /><br />'eg England sets the defence budget and expects Wales to pay it, though most Welsh believe UK is overarmed and overkeen to undertake foreign military engagements merely to satisfy England's instinct to conquer & rule.'<br /><br />So that's why 2 million people marched in London at the start of the Iraq war is it?<br />May I remind you that the last three prime ministers have all had Scottish genealogy and that the UK is a "joint effort", or joint failure, whatever.<br /><br />'Whatever debts England can attribute specifically and unambiguously to Wales then so be it, but Wales's marginality in UK economic thinking must reflect equally in marginality of indebtedness. We are not accountable, merely on a demographic headcount.'<br /><br />Oh yes you are! A large amount of the national debt is due to the public sector on which Scotland, Wales and Northern England rely on.<br />Wales especially.<br />The national debt was created by these areas, the national debt will be paid by these countries. There is no running away from the bailiffs, fail to pay and Wales' will be screwed as the rest of the UK - England, Scotland, NI get fed up with it.<br /><br />All former UK nations would probably formulate a deal whereby they support each other in paying anyway or where the larger economies of England and Scotland help the weaker economies of Wales and NI spread the burden over more time.APKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14781369698883457968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1611813512203663495.post-27829553917328089132011-10-10T20:55:16.359+00:002011-10-10T20:55:16.359+00:00There are a few poimts with which I would disagree...There are a few poimts with which I would disagree. Mr Barry says-"..even if a referendum was called and turned out to back independence, it would also need endorsement from the UK Government.". What? We certainly would not need England's approval once a referendum endorsed freedom. Of course England's cooperation is preferable to its opposition but with or without it once Wales says Yes, then Yes it is. They have no veto on our freedom.<br /> "..what percentage of the UK’s national debt – currently running at an eye-watering £900bn – it would be liable for. ". Nonsense!. We must start with the presumption that all debts incurred on England's watch are England's responsibility. eg England sets the defence budget and expects Wales to pay it, though most Welsh believe UK is overarmed and overkeen to undertake foreign military engagements merely to satisfy England's instinct to conquer & rule. Whatever debts England can attribute specifically and unambiguously to Wales then so be it, but Wales's marginality in UK economic thinking must reflect equally in marginality of indebtedness. We are not accountable, merely on a demographic headcount.margarethildarobertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04601737498973956947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1611813512203663495.post-91697120492039505282011-09-12T17:30:50.229+00:002011-09-12T17:30:50.229+00:00The reaction to adam's work from the unionists...The reaction to adam's work from the unionists has been instructive. Most have dismissed it as being only what you'd expect from a nationalist. A few have dismissed it for misusing or inventing statistics (despite the fact that it went out under the imprint of probably the most prestigious university in the world) and others have just ignored it.<br /><br />The only valid criticism I have seen came from Dylan Jones Evans, who, while welcoming it in general (surprisingly), did suggest that it would be more complete it if it had included other stateless nations economies for comparison. He has a point. Catalunya and Euskadi have prospered since becoming autonomous regions within Spain. How much that is due to their autonomy, and how much is due to their continued attachment to Spain would be an interesting extension to Adam's report - but he still has nearly a year left to include this in his analysis.<br /><br />There appears to me to be a new, and sudden tide in Europe - and indeed all over the world, sweeping small nations towards freedom. I just hope that the Labour party's Cnut pretensions is unable to stem it in Wales.Siônnynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00021974709953206048noreply@blogger.com